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janecarnall ([info]janecarnall) wrote,
@ 2008-10-25 13:49:00

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Current mood: thoughtful
Entry tags:fannish stuff, keptverse, on writing

Fortunately, I like writing
Via metafandom:

A Fandom of ONE is not fun. Nor is feeling like a fandom of ONE because everyone else in that fandom clearly does not view it anyway compatible with your views.


The fan who wrote that was born (from her livejournal) about the time I started to write - and the state she calls "Fandom Ennui" I think of as just normal state. It's really neat to be writing fanfic in a fandom where there's lots of activity, and especially if it happens that what I want to write falls into mainstream activity in that fandom.

But, from liking to write Spock/McCoy and Bodie/Cowley to writing RPF in the Keptverse... I just have a habit of not doing that. (The only time I was ever at Escapade, I wandered down the Trek stalls in the dealers' room asking each one "Got any Spock/McCoy"? and they looked at me like I was from a mirror universe.)

It isn't as much fun being a fandom of one. It is sometimes not fun at all being a fan banned from livejournal when no one wants to be fannish off livejournal. (Whine, whine, complain, complain, makes cup of tea, drinks tea, is good. British fans do have tea as a resource.)

But I wouldn't do it if I didn't like it. I like what I'm doing with "The Games": it has plot, it has plan, it has characters who are going to have a lot of fun with each other (for given values of "fun", of course) and best of all, it has me writing instead of procrastinating or reading blogs about the US election. I like writing. It is an intrinsically solitary activity. Sometimes fandom makes it feel less solitary. But mostly, it is an activity that makes me solitary even in a crowd of people I actually like, because when a story is going on well in the back of my head I'm (a) wanting to be somewhere with a keyboard and my characters (b) hearing my characters in the back of my head (c) wanting to tell other people what they're saying, and knowing perfectly well that this is a bad idea.

The only other fan who started writing a story that was about fictional characters got discouraged by [info]poisontaster declaring that you can't play in her sandbox (ie, not post to her community - of course she's not ruling that fans can't take the shared universe and play with it) if it's not RPS. Which is her privilege: it's her community. But getting discouraged by that would mean (for me) that I was writing a story more because I wanted the feedback from the community than because I wanted to write the story. And a story that's worth writing at all is worth writing for itself. I wrote a 130 000 word novel about Hawkeye and Mulcahy and I think about a dozen people in total read it - but it was worth writing, no matter how few people ever want to read it.

(I'm sort of putting out feelers to see if anyone wants to set up an AU WWK community off LJ, by the way, if anyone who has an IJ account is interested.)

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[info]whatho
2008-10-25 10:02 am UTC (link)
I think there are upsides to being a fandom of one. There are obvious downsides in the shape of a lack of fic and a lack of other folk with whom to go 'eeeeeeeee'. But there's something deeply pleasing about writing what you believe to be the first fic in a particular fandom. Plus, brilliant as sharing fic with other fen undoubtedly is, the process of creating it, even in the knowledge that it has no readership, is, for me, deeply satisfying in and of itself.

One can grow a tad possessive about an undiluted fandom as well, and that's a very reconciling sort of a force. I've buckled down a great deal in the past few months over the subject of my own fandom of one ... I guess you get kind of protective. And I reduce myself to a fandom of one on purpose sometimes ... well, sort of. There's a lot of fic in my head I'm never going to share with anybody else, 'cause it's the sort of fic that I take the greatest pleasure in keeping off the page.

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[info]janecarnall
2008-10-25 11:10 am UTC (link)
Plus, brilliant as sharing fic with other fen undoubtedly is, the process of creating it, even in the knowledge that it has no readership, is, for me, deeply satisfying in and of itself.

Yes, me too.

One can grow a tad possessive about an undiluted fandom as well, and that's a very reconciling sort of a force.

Yeah, there's that, too. I did wonder, when all those other people started writing fic about the world of "A Kept Boy", which seems to have induced even more of the same squeeage as "MirrorM*A*S*H" did in its prime, if I would have reacted that graciously if other people had started writing MirrorM*A*S*H fic. I have always tried to be fannish about borrowed characters and sequels and paraquels and so on, but there is no doubt that sometimes you just want to grab your universe back from them and go "No no no you're doing it WRONG". Then again, there are fan writers from whom I want to take the English language because they're doing it wrong. :-(

There's a lot of fic in my head I'm never going to share with anybody else, 'cause it's the sort of fic that I take the greatest pleasure in keeping off the page.

This sounds terribly intriguing. Is it the kind of fic that you could talk about over a nice cup of tea and a biscuit, or is it really locked away forever?

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[info]whatho
2008-10-25 12:00 pm UTC (link)
It's not intriguing fic really ... there's nothing special about it, but I wouldn't talk about it because it's the fic I enjoy carrying about in my head and for some reason that's where I want it to stay. I think I worry that if I wrote it down or even said it out loud, I wouldn't be able to find it in my head anymore ....

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[info]janecarnall
2008-10-25 01:44 pm UTC (link)
I expect not, certainly not in the same way.

Once the story is written, it's fixed, and of course I can keep re-reading it, but that's not nearly the same as when it's just alive in my head.

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(Anonymous)
2008-10-25 02:50 pm UTC (link)
Syredronning from lj here (reading this journal via RSS)

I feel with you re fandom of one. Amusingly, it's not Spock/McCoy anymore - there is quite a stable subfandom by now (though print fandom is still 99 K/S%). But then I fell in love with Kirk/McCoy and dang, the number of writers is so small that once someone said correctly, "you can't use a K/Mc beta because that will use up a significant amount of your total readership" :)

Sometimes I don't care but it's not only that stories have few readers, it's also that I don't get fed enough of my beloved couple. Alright, I started doing photomanips because nobody else did, so it can be very motivating...but still, it is a bit lonely at times.

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[info]janecarnall
2008-10-25 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Kirk/McCoy? Really?

...okay *does the your pairing is okay, my pairing is okay dance, a bit sheepishly*

Would a Spock/Kirk/McCoy threesome do anything to feed your jones, because I've done one of those?

Sometimes I don't care but it's not only that stories have few readers, it's also that I don't get fed enough of my beloved couple.

Oh yeah, with you right there. I never did get enough other people writing Bodie/Cowley.

It is a bit lonely.

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(Anonymous)
2008-10-26 11:16 am UTC (link)
The threesome is great for me too - actually I ship Kirk-Spock-McCoy in any combination, K/S the least *G*. I think I read all of your fic that is online - or did you update your page lately :)?

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[info]janecarnall
2008-10-26 11:28 am UTC (link)
This one's been up on my website, not my journal, for some time now: The Three of Us. It was written for a threesome zine which went under, and so was never published in print.

There's no other threesomes and no other Kirk/McCoy - I did mostly write Spock/McCoy, but I have about a dozen stories in the TOS section.

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(Anonymous)
2008-10-26 11:50 am UTC (link)
I know this one, thanks :) Maybe one day you feel inclined to return to TOS writing? *looks hopeful*G*

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[info]janecarnall
2008-10-26 12:29 pm UTC (link)
I don't think I've written anything serious in TOS for years. I wrote a non-serious flashfic last year, They Know The Classics.

I remember now - you read my Mirror stories, ages ago. The ones with M-Spock and M-McCoy...

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[info]afrai
2008-10-27 06:49 am UTC (link)
The only time I find myself in the fandom mainstream is when I put myself there deliberately -- that is, I start reading, e.g., lots of Clark/Lex fic because they are written by writers I like, or I start reading lots of Duncan/Methos fic because ditto. In these cases I generally manage eventually to force myself into a genuine love for the canon and the characters, separate from my love of the fic, but I still enjoy this kind of fannishness less than what I consider real proper fannishness -- the times when you encounter a new canon and bam, you fall in love. And you make up stories in your head and look hopefully, sadly for fic and watch the same episode over and over and squee every time, and it does not matter whether anyone else is interested or not, because you have enough interest to make up for it!

In such cases you are lucky if you fall into the mainstream in that fandom (or indeed if that fandom has a mainstream at all). For me that's happened only sometimes. It is a sadly imperfect world. :)

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[info]janecarnall
2009-01-02 09:55 am UTC (link)
but I still enjoy this kind of fannishness less than what I consider real proper fannishness -- the times when you encounter a new canon and bam, you fall in love. And you make up stories in your head and look hopefully, sadly for fic and watch the same episode over and over and squee every time, and it does not matter whether anyone else is interested or not, because you have enough interest to make up for it!

Hee. Yes, that is what feels like "real proper fannishness" to me too. ;-)

It is a sadly imperfect world indeed. Why can the Internet not just bring me the right kind of fanfic??

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[info]angiepen
2008-12-29 11:22 pm UTC (link)
Wandered in from... umm, I think I was reading that other person who writes Kept Boy FPS and saw you comment and followed you back here. Something like that. :)

I'm liking your Richard/Sam story very much, and looking forward to seeing what more you've done with it. If you do start up a new Kept Boy FPS community over here I'd definitely join it, and mind you I haven't joined any communities over here; my IJ journal is basically a mirror for backup purposes. But I love the Kept Boy verse and want to find everything attached to it, official or not. That'd be worth getting into a community over here.

[If you do, I suggest you call it something else, in case Poisontaster decides to mirror the RPF community over here. KeptverseFPS or something would do nicely.]

About not letting RPF and FPF mix, I can see where she's coming from with that. I don't know whether this is her thinking, but the first thing that comes to me is that letting FPF characters in opens the door to a lot of weird canon that could end up tangled in a not-fun way. For example, the other person was writing about Sam and Dean and John -- so in that verse there are demons and ghosts and magic, right? If someone wants to write about Buffy and Angel, then there are vampires and such in the verse. Easier, I'd think, to just separate things out. I didn't get the impression that she hates FPS or whatever, just that she didn't want things mixing.

At any rate, I'd love to be able to watch a community and get all the Keptverse FPF in one place, if you decide to do that. Definitely not a fandom of one. :)

Angie

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[info]janecarnall
2009-01-02 09:54 am UTC (link)

I'm liking your Richard/Sam story very much, and looking forward to seeing what more you've done with it. If you do start up a new Kept Boy FPS community over here I'd definitely join it, and mind you I haven't joined any communities over here; my IJ journal is basically a mirror for backup purposes. But I love the Kept Boy verse and want to find everything attached to it, official or not. That'd be worth getting into a community over here.


Okay. Well, I think someone else said they'd join an AU Keptverse community, so maybe I will set it up. I need to think up a good name for it. ;-)

Easier, I'd think, to just separate things out. I didn't get the impression that she hates FPS or whatever, just that she didn't want things mixing.

Oh, I suppose so, if people were writing crossover fic, but lots of people are writing basically incompatible RPS - I think Shanks is now a different character in three people's stories? I don't actually know why [info]poisontaster won't allow FPS in the Keptverse community - I don't think she never explained the time it got banned. Anyway, it's her community, it's her decision, and it's not like I could post there anyway.

Thanks very much for this comment. I had a big resolution not to reply to it until I was finally done writing Part 2 of "The Pieces" and could post "Part 1", which I now have. Yay.

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